…. they were unschooled, ordinary men …. they had been with Jesus …. the crippled man healed standing with them – Acts 4:13,14

Busy at church? What’s essential, important? Prayer & discipling disciples

Sometime ago, had coffee with an elder from a church I was previously at.   Attendance was waning slightly, and he was wondering if there were areas for improvement.

After an hour of caffeine-fueled constructive brainstorming, ideas, suggestions … as well as, commending on ministries and activities that were doing well ….

Suddenly, … something dawned on me,

Stop … Stop

“Forget about what we’ve discussed the last hour,
… there are only 2 activities we need to do and focus on
…. and the rest of the stuff will spontaneously and fruitfully overflow out of these 2 things.”

“Prayer and Discipling, … making disciples”.

“If not … we will be just  a busy church of busy Christians …. and become an activities/events driven church”.

A couple months later, had a similar coffee session with a pastor from another church who was soliciting for suggestions, … with similar conclusion.

Programs, activities, events … keeps everyone busy … very busy.
But, … are we personally growing, maturing, … fruitful ?
The former makes great monthly reports, newsletters, instagrams,  KPIs, … makes any CEO smile,
while the latter is unseen, patience, long term …. farmer’s work, shepherd’s work;

there’re no instant trees, instant fruit.

Building church, … or building people ?

Following man … or following Jesus ?

Serving church, … or serving God ?

Activity, programs, seminars, studies, etc  … or a sharing, loving community ?

Activity, programs, seminars, studies, etc … or growing in the image of Christ ?

Busy, weary, … trying to catch our breath, breathless,
the fresh breath of the Holy Spirit,
the wind beneath our wings

Too busy, … to talk or listen to God, .. seek God ?

 … it is possible to run a church and all of its activity without the Holy Spirit.”
— A W Tozer

In the parable of the sower and the seed — the right seed, on the right soil,
produces the right fruit,   mature, multiplying fruit
  they hear the word,
hold it fast
in an honest and good heart,

bear fruit through patient endurance,
patiently produce a huge harvest
(Luke 8:15 NRSV, NLT)

However, the seed that fell upon thorns,   produce no mature fruit,   never produce good fruit
(Luke 8:14 HCSB, ICB);

only visible
 leaves … with no fruit,

always learning
but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth
2 Timothy 3:7 (NIV)

its possible to be
busy learning, learning, 
yet, … not come to a knowledge of the truth.

In the gospels, while the religious leaders judged Jesus by his outward activities (keeping Sabbath, ceremonial washing, keeping away from drunkards & tax collectors,  etc),
Jesus stressed  that following Him is about a change in the heart of a person first,
which flows out into fruitfulness; … from the inside out, … into our daily lives
through encountering Jesus, and yielding to His Word &  the Holy Spirit.

I am the vine,
you are the branches;

he who abides in Me and I in him,
he bears much fruit,

for apart from Me you can do nothing.
John 15:5 (NASB)

Jesus calls us into a living daily relationship with Him,
loving God and loving others.

You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts,
known and read by everyone.

You show that you are a letter from Christ
sent through us.

This letter is not written with ink
but with the Spirit of the living God.

It is not written on stone tablets
but on human hearts.
1 Corinthians 3:2, 3 (NCV)

a letter from Christ,
written with the Spirit of the living God on human hearts,
read by everyone.

“Out of 100 men,
one will read the Bible,
the other 99 will read the Christian”
D. L Moody

Prayer – encountering, experiencing the Lord and His power.
Knowing Him.

This is eternal life,
that they may know You,
the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

John 17:3 (NASB)

29 He gives power to the weak,
And to those who have no might He increases strength.
30 Even the youths shall faint and be weary,
And the young men shall utterly fall,

31 But those who wait on the Lord
Shall renew their strength;
They shall mount up with wings like eagles,
They shall run and not be weary,
They shall walk and not faint.
Isaiah 40:29-31 (NKJV)

41 The Lord answered her, “Martha, Martha, you are worried and upset about many things,
42 but one thing is necessary.
Luke 10:41, 42 (HCSB)

Discipling – leading others to encounter, experience the Lord and His power personally.
Making Him known.

1:28 Him we preach,
warning every man and
teaching every man in all wisdom,

that we may present every man
perfect in Christ Jesus

1:29 To this end I also labor,
striving according to His working which works in me mightily.

4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a bondservant of Christ, greets you,
always laboring fervently
for you in prayers,

that you may stand
and complete
in all the will of God.
Colossians 1:28,29, 4:12 (NKJV)

Him we preach – Jesus our focus of teaching, preaching, discipling, mentoring, etc … activities, programs, etc

present every man perfect in Christ Jesus – be more like Jesus   (transformation, lifestyle change)

in all the will of God. – walking into God’s purposes

laboring fervently for you in prayers

Jesus taught,

I am the vine,
you are the branches;

he who abides in Me and I in him,
he bears much fruit,
for apart from Me you can do nothing.

If you abide in Me,
and My words abide in you,
ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.

My Father is glorified by this,
that you bear much fruit,
and so prove to be My disciples.

Just as the Father has loved Me,
I have also loved you; abide in My love.

10 If you keep My commandments,
you will abide in My love;
just as
I have kept My Father’s commandments
and abide in His love.
          (following Jesus example)

11 These things I have spoken to you so that
My joy may be in you,
and that your joy may be made full.
John 15:5, 7-11 (NASB)

With God’s help,
discipling is about serving others, guiding others to

abide in Jesus,
abide in His Words,
abide in His love,

trusting and obeying Him in whatever weather & season,
and … bearing fruit, much fruit,
thus, glorifying God,
and so prove to be Jesus disciples
overflowing with Jesus’ joy and love.

They will still yield fruit in old age;
They shall be full of sap and very green,
Psalm 94:14 (NASB)

Thus, through caring, tending, helping, serving others,

.. you are a letter of Christ,
cared for by us,
written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God,
not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
2 Corinthians 3:3 (NASB)

cared for —  διακονέω diakonéō,  to be an attendant, i.e. wait upon (menially or as a host, friend, or (figuratively) teacher) [Strong]

just as the Son of Man did not come to be served (διακονέω),
but to serve (διακονέω),
and to give His life a ransom for many.”
Matthew 20:28 (NASB)

We can only help others to follow Jesus,
… only, .. if we ourselves are following Jesus daily, ourselves, …. and being fruitful.

Follow my example,
as I follow the example of Christ

1 Corinthians 11:1 (NIV) 

… Because we loved you so much,
we were delighted to share with you not only the gospel of God
but our lives as well.

1 Thessalonians 2:8 (NIV)

love you so much … delighted to share .. the gospel of God, .. our lives as well

Howard Hendricks:
You teach what you know, but you reproduce what you are.

You cannot impart what you do not possess.

Teaching that impacts is not head to head,
but heart to heart.

Every disciple needs three types of relationships in his life.
He needs a ‘Paul’ who can mentor him and challenge him.
He needs a ‘Barnabas’ who can come along side and encourage him.
And he needs a  ‘Timothy’, someone that he can pour his life into.

You never graduate from the school of discipleship.

If we stop learning today,
we stop teaching tomorrow

If you want to continue leading,
you must continue changing.”

Open to learn, open to change, … open to God’s Word and the Holy Spirit’s guidance,
open heart, .. open hand, .. open to others …

How did Paul discipled Timothy?

10 Now you followed
my teaching, conduct, purpose, faith, patience, love, perseverance,

11 persecutions, and sufferings,
such as happened to me
at Antioch, at Iconium and at Lystra;
what persecutions I endured,
and out of them all the Lord rescued me!
2 Timothy 3:10, 11 (NASB)

wasn’t classroom,
personal, … living, … caring,
.. on the job (OJT), .. hands on experience, .. in the thick of things,
like Jesus when He discipled the twelve,  for three years.

love you so much … delighted to share .. the gospel of God, .. our lives as well


… for apart from Me you can do nothing.
John 15:5 (NASB)

Jesus, our example, prayed often to the Father

Very early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house and went off to a solitary place, where he prayed.
Mark 1:17 (NIV)

and anointed His teaching and ministry with the Lord’s presence

16 But Jesus Himself would often slip away to the wilderness and pray.
17 One day He was teaching;  … and the power of the Lord was present for Him to perform healing.
Luke 5:16, 17 (NASB)

Jesus described His church as a house of prayer for all nations;

Jesus said,
And as he taught them, he said, “Is it not written:
My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations? …
Mark 11:17 (NIV)

The New Testament church. was birthed in prayer by the anointing of the Holy Spirit,

1:14 They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.

2:1 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place.

2:4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.
Acts 1:14, 2:1,4 (NIV)

When faced with persecution, the church persevered in prayer, believing in the power of the Holy Spirit in their midst,

29 Now, Lord, consider their threats and enable your servants to speak your word with great boldness. 30 Stretch out your hand to heal and perform signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus.”
31 After they prayed, the place where they were meeting was shaken. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly.
Acts 4:29-31 (NIV)

So Peter was kept in prison, but the church was earnestly praying to God for him.
But Peter kept on knocking, and when they opened the door and saw him, they were astonished. 17 Peter motioned with his hand for them to be quiet and described how the Lord had brought him out of prison.

Acts 12:5, 6, 17 (NIV)

The church was guided and led by the Holy Spirit in prayer into the plans and purposes of God,

While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” So after they had fasted and prayed, they placed their hands on them and sent them off.
Acts 13:2,3 (NIV)

Salvation of people, healings and miracles by the Holy Spirit through prayer

… the word of God continued to spread and flourish.   Acts 12:24 (NIV)

The word of the Lord spread through the whole region.    Acts 13:49 (NIV)

His father was sick in bed, suffering from fever and dysentery. Paul went in to see him and, after prayer, placed his hands on him and healed him. When this had happened, the rest of the sick on the island came and were cured.
Acts 28:8,9 (NIV)

The heartbeat of the church is prayer.

“The birth of the church was during a prayer meeting, not preaching, not singing, but prayer.”

“You can tell how popular a church is by who comes on Sunday morning.
You can tell how popular the pastor or evangelist is by who comes on Sunday night.
But you can tell how popular Jesus is by who comes to the prayer meeting.”

— Jim Cymbala

Prayer is not a passive activity.

See also previous blogpost on Declining churches … Dying churches … why? (click here)

“Is prayer your steering wheel
or your spare tire?”

Corrie ten Boom

To be a Christian without prayer
is no more possible than
to be alive without breathing.

— Martin Luther

Prayer does not change God,
but it changes him who prays
— Soren Kierkegaard

“Prayer makes a godly man,
and puts within him the mind of Christ,
the mind of humility, of self-surrender, of service, of pity, and of prayer.
If we really pray, we will become more like God,
or else we will quit praying.

— E.M. Bounds

your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth
as it is in heaven.

Matthew 6:10 (NIV)

William W. Walford, a blind preacher of England, is the author of the hymn beginning “Sweet hour of prayer.” This hymn first appeared in print in the New York Observer September 13, 1845.   The contributor, Rev. Thomas Salmon,  who furnished the hymn says:

“During my residence at Coleshill, Warwickshire, England, I became acquainted with W. W. Walford, the blind preacher, a man of obscure birth and connections and no education, but of strong mind and most retentive memory. In the pulpit he never failed to select a lesson well adapted to his subject, giving chapter and verse with unerring precision, and scarcely ever misplacing a word in his repetition of the Psalms, every part of the New Testament, the prophecies, and some of the histories, so as to have the reputation of knowing the whole Bible by heart.”


Read an interesting example:

“Isaiah Lawson in Ibadan, Nigeria, left the leadership of a church in which he had thirteen thousand regular attendees to launch a new church dedicated to personal, in-depth Christian growth.  Why?

In his own words:  
“We had thirteen thousand weekly worshipers,
but I had no idea if any of them were becoming disciples”

Source — Paul Borthwick, Western Christians in Global Mission, IVP Press, 2012, pg 98.

Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
1 Corinthians 11:1

In the marketplace, discipling is common … lawyers have pupillage, doctors have internships, up and coming musicans/artists learn with the great masters, craftsman/tradesman have apprenticeships, … aspiring chefs work in the great kitchens of well-known executive chefs.  Such training varies between months to years, before one becomes a skilled professional;   excellence, competence, mastery, craftsmanship, artistry, technique.

Born into a home of a carpenter, Jesus went through years of apprenticeship with His earthly father, before he became a master carpenter.
“Isn’t this the carpenter? …”      Mark 6:3 (NIV)

There are no instant professionals in the marketplace, we’ll cringe at the thought of a fresh just-graduated doctor conducting a major surgery on us.  From our own work experiences, we know that there’s a world of difference between textbook knowledge, and delivering industry best practices in real life.   It takes time for people who  to be mentored, developed, shadowed … polish their hard & soft skills … so that they can deliver exceptional service and work.

In people-centered service jobs, personnel are coached and groomed to serve with finesse, and giving their clients memorable delightful experiences.  On-going job training is both hard technical skill training as well as soft-skills training … and adopting a mindset of the ethos of the company.

Training, on-going training, upskilling,  certifications, mentoring are serious business in the marketplace, and key to sustaining a competitive advantage for companies;  the results are tangible.   In 2008, Starbucks closed 7,100 stores in America (click here) for a 3-hour training session for all employees to revive coffee excellence,  and recapture the intimate, friendly feel of a neighborhood coffee shop.

In job interviews, its common to be faced with situational questions — “How do you deal with …. at work, share an example”,   “Describe a situation where you had to …”, etc

Certainly, employers are keen on unscripted real-world hands-on experience,
…thinking on the feet, hit the ground running folks.


What about the church?

Apostle Paul is in full agreement with successful corporate CEOs that their greatest asset is the people; invest in equipping the people with the Word, and  real-world hands-on ministry experience.

Ephesians 4:11, 12 (NKJV)
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
12 for the equipping of the saints
for the work of ministry,
for the edifying of the body of Christ

The 5-fold ministry leaders are to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ.
i.e., when the rest of us are equipped,  .. then we’re able to edify the body, the church, … work of ministry.
Equip & train them … empower them … send them … to minister & edify the body,

This is how small companies grow to become big companies handling an ever-increasing customer/client base.
One boss can’t do everything; he needs to train, empower & trust others.

At the elder’s church (mentioned at the beginning of this article), the most well-received and well-run ministry was the children’s sunday school.  Part of the reason was that there is a training seminar organized for the ministry volunteers every year, conducted by internal and external practitioners in the field of children’s ministry.

Matthew 28:18-20 (NKJV)
18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

make disciples teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you, 

His abiding empowering presence is with us as we go, make disciples & teaching them –  I am with you always, even to the end of the age

Paul wrote:

And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others.

Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom,
that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus.
2 Timothy 2:2, 1 Corinthians 11:1 (NIV), Colossians 1:28 (NKJV)

Hebrews 5:12-14,   6:1-3(NIV)
12 In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers,
you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!

13 Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness.
14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, instruction about cleansing rites, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. And God permitting, we will do so.

Mark 16:20 (NKJV)
 And they went out
and preached everywhere,
the Lord working with them
and confirming the word
through the accompanying signs.

Outreach events are quick to organize and execute.   These activities give people a presentation of the gospel.  Instant results & instagrams.

There are believers who just want to do outreach & evangelism.  When asked what happens after someone is led to the Lord …. they are not able to articulate the  ‘how‘ & the ‘who‘ of the follow-up discipling process.

Discipling is not easy, its a long-term commitment.
Unlike an evangelistic sprint, discipling is a long hike through hills & valleys alongside another person.

Discipling a new believer is an informal, patient, long-term commitment of walking alongside a new friend, … showing them the ropes, … helping them through personal issues/challenges through the Word and prayer, … and leading them to experience and encounter Jesus.  Helping them to walk with the Lord, and allowing His word to transform them to be more like Jesus.
Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ. (  1 Corinthians 11:1)

Learning by active listening, discussing, sharing, doing, living.

Discipling is a sharing conversation, a dialogue, … not a monologue, not preaching.
We learn together, … mutually encourage one another, … as we grow in the Lord and walk with Him.
As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another (Proverbs 27:17 NIV).

Let’s all try … spend sometime and make one disciple of Jesus in the next few months.

Jesus discipling in the Gospels was not classroom lectures … and not boring.  He lived and traveled with them.

He took them to the fields, and directed them to look at the birds, the flowers.  He shared about the farmer who sows his field, the manager and his subordinates, the traveler who as beaten and robbed, etc.

The disciples also observed first hand how he ministered compassionately to those in need, and healed them … walk with them through their personal challenges, struggles.

The disciples saw and heard him pray … saw him ate with tax collectors and prostitutes.

They saw Jesus’ dedication to the Father’s will.

It was not just learning a book
or filling up the right answer in a quiz, study guide,
… but Jesus’ life.

Everyone believes discipling is important.
Everyone would say discipling is important.

However, to be honest, … in my limited Christian journey, there’s two churches which I attended that intentionally trained and equipped everyone in the church to confidently disciple a new believer (2 Timothy 2:2).
After completing this follow-up step, these churches also have a curriculum program with a whole series of teaching classes/electives to further equip believers in the Word and practical ministry.

Depending on how its done, running bible study groups or home groups does not necessarily translate into discipling,
… i.e. discipling goes beyond just sharing the right Bible information,
teaching right theology/doctrine,
or getting all the right answers on a bible study guide, .. or fellowship together

… its life transformation to be more like Jesus,
… a matter of the heart,
trust and faith in Jesus, … (not the intellect).
And fruit flowing from the treasure in one’s heart,
whether its a small child, … or a brilliant scientist.

“The Bible was written not to satisfy your curiosity
but to help you conform to Christ’s image.

Not to make you a smarter sinner
but to make you like the Saviour.

Not to fill your head with a collection of biblical facts
but to transform your life.”
— Howard Hendricks

Also, in group peer-learning situations, it is as effective as the most mature believers in the group.

2 Timothy 2:2 (NIV)
And the things you (Timothy)  have heard me say
in the presence of many witnesses
entrust to reliable people
who will also be qualified to teach others.

Based on 2 Timothy 2:2, the test of discipling is propagation and replication

… from Paul to Timothy 
… from Timothy to reliable people (without Paul)
… from reliable people to others (without Paul & Timothy).

Like cells multiplying with a common DNA from cell to new cells.
The process described in 2 Timothy 2:2, also involves delegation, trust and empowerment of others, rather than just relying on a single source like Paul.

2 Timothy 2:2 talks about a  sharing/training that can scale out beyond one geographical location in a sustainable way,
like a virus … and not end up like a game of ‘china whispers’.
(‘china whispers – a game of whispering a message down a long line of people, and comparing what the last person heard with what the first person whispered, often results in humorous results.)

In the times of the  Bible, the printing press and video/audio recording devices had not yet been invented yet, and mass education was not as pervasive as it is now.
Most times, learning was oral.

For such propagation/replication, there are implications to both the content and the delivery of the message/teaching so that its memorable, impactful  and embedded (like DNA), which overflows into spontaneous propagation.
Eg., after being blessed by a message the listener will spontaneously share parts of it to bless his friends;  like popular hit song that one can’t get out of one’s head :-).
Or children who come back excited of a story they heard at school, or can’t wait to ‘show & tell‘.

There’s much we can learn from Jesus, the master teacher.

“Tell me and I forget,
teach me and I may remember,
involve me and I learn.”

― Benjamin Franklin

Historically, Christians have been pioneers and advocates of mass education and universities around the world.

Multiplying prayer and discipling also involves empowering ordinary lay people, … the priesthood of believers … to pray & disciple others.

Acts 8:4
Those who had been scattered preached the word wherever they went.

Build/Equip people individually, personally,
…  and the church will become strong.

Ephesians 4:11, 12,  15, 16 (NKJV)
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ

the goal:
13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;
that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,

the method:
15 but, speaking the truth in love,
may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ—

the result:
16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.

It involves everyone in church keeping a consistent daily time of humble prayer and refreshing ourselves with God’s Word, i.e. quiet time.
A consistent personal daily walk with the Lord.

Final thoughts,
… sometimes it seems a church is organized to be busy, just to keep the people busy in that church (so they don’t stray elsewhere 🙂  ).

Be practical, if the church has 50 people, don’t run it like a 200 people church.  Downsize, right size the number of activities/events.

Plan activities around the schedules & constraints of others.
Jesus defined: to lead others … is to serve others
… find out what people need.

Be realistic, practical and compassionate with  the work/life (family/church) balance of the lay people of the church.  (Sabbath =  rest 🙂 )

25 But Jesus called them to Himself and said,
“You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them,
and their great men exercise authority over them.

26 It is not this way among you, but
whoever wishes to become great among you
shall be your servant,

27 and whoever wishes to be first among you
shall be your slave;

28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served,
but to serve,
and to give His life a ransom for many.”
Matthew 20:25-28 (NASB)

Events?  Programs?  Activities?  Seminars?  Conferences?  Camps?  Meetings?  etc, etc …

Well, my brothers and sisters, let’s summarize.
When you meet together, 
one will sing, another will teach, another will tell some special revelation God has given, one will speak in tongues, and another will interpret what is said.
But everything that is done
must strengthen all of you.
1 Corinthians 14:26 (NLT)

Does this activity strengthen people ?  How?

Building church … or building people ?

Matthew 11:28-30
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me,
for I am gentle and humble in heart,
and you will find rest for your souls.

30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

(Certainly, not a hard driving CEO chasing performance targets, grand vision 🙂 )

Henry Francis Lyte wrote the poem ‘Abide with me’ in 1847 and set it to music while he lay dying from tuberculosis; he survived only a further three weeks after its completion.
The hymn is a prayer for God to remain present with the speaker throughout life, through trials, and through death. The opening line alludes to Luke 24:29, “Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent”, and the penultimate verse draws on text from 1 Corinthians 15:55, “O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?”
— Wikipedia

 Church | Discipling

by 林弟兄, bro Lim
December 27, 2014

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